Comments on: [桃花運] Skip Beat’s Love-Me Section, an interesting ancient Chinese folk belief and “ganbaru” http://www.iwanihana.info/2009/05/30/skip-beats-love-me-section-an-interesting-ancient-chinese-folk-belief-and-ganbaru/ Where beauty moves and wit delights Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:35:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wabisabi http://www.iwanihana.info/2009/05/30/skip-beats-love-me-section-an-interesting-ancient-chinese-folk-belief-and-ganbaru/comment-page-1/#comment-912 Wabisabi Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:45:58 +0000 http://www.iwanihana.info/?p=111#comment-912 winged feet: It's not that depressing a comment, nor is there any need to apologize even if it were. I agree with the above but you lost me somewhat when it comes to the part about bullying. Are you talking about bullying in Japan or in China? Is there a point you want to make about bullying that connects to the post? For the record, I actually think that school discipline is much stricter and in any case the students tend to be too overworked to bother with bullying in Japan and China. Not to say that it doesn't exist - but the consequences are too great. In these societies - one mistake in youth and you are out. winged feet:

It’s not that depressing a comment, nor is there any need to apologize even if it were. I agree with the above but you lost me somewhat when it comes to the part about bullying. Are you talking about bullying in Japan or in China? Is there a point you want to make about bullying that connects to the post? For the record, I actually think that school discipline is much stricter and in any case the students tend to be too overworked to bother with bullying in Japan and China. Not to say that it doesn’t exist – but the consequences are too great. In these societies – one mistake in youth and you are out.

]]> By: winged feet http://www.iwanihana.info/2009/05/30/skip-beats-love-me-section-an-interesting-ancient-chinese-folk-belief-and-ganbaru/comment-page-1/#comment-899 winged feet Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:05:20 +0000 http://www.iwanihana.info/?p=111#comment-899 You're right. Japanese seem to like their heros or heroines spunky, sincere, with loads of faith in humanity, which are always challenged by cynicism that is a result of temporary setback (which they are destined to overcome), or a result of some great external evil (which they are destined to terminate). Chinese on the other hand can seem quite fatalistic or deterministic in their beliefs and judgement. As a rule, I find Chinese rather quick to judge - although I'm not sure about Japanese. There are some similarities between them however - they put immense pressure on the individual to either make or break. I heard that teachers or parents used to turn a blind eye to school bullies, a flaw to the education system. I'm not sure if the situation remains unrectified, but that's an example of carrying the "ganbaru" spirit to the extreme. Humans are seemingly supposed to carry all their own burdens, while the society casts unrelenting judgement. apologies for the depressing comment You’re right. Japanese seem to like their heros or heroines spunky, sincere, with loads of faith in humanity, which are always challenged by cynicism that is a result of temporary setback (which they are destined to overcome), or a result of some great external evil (which they are destined to terminate). Chinese on the other hand can seem quite fatalistic or deterministic in their beliefs and judgement. As a rule, I find Chinese rather quick to judge – although I’m not sure about Japanese.

There are some similarities between them however – they put immense pressure on the individual to either make or break. I heard that teachers or parents used to turn a blind eye to school bullies, a flaw to the education system. I’m not sure if the situation remains unrectified, but that’s an example of carrying the “ganbaru” spirit to the extreme. Humans are seemingly supposed to carry all their own burdens, while the society casts unrelenting judgement.

apologies for the depressing comment

]]> By: Wabisabi http://www.iwanihana.info/2009/05/30/skip-beats-love-me-section-an-interesting-ancient-chinese-folk-belief-and-ganbaru/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Wabisabi Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:06:17 +0000 http://www.iwanihana.info/?p=111#comment-210 moritheil: I have never seen Bleach and Naruto, but I think I see what you mean. moritheil:

I have never seen Bleach and Naruto, but I think I see what you mean.

]]> By: moritheil http://www.iwanihana.info/2009/05/30/skip-beats-love-me-section-an-interesting-ancient-chinese-folk-belief-and-ganbaru/comment-page-1/#comment-173 moritheil Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:27:40 +0000 http://www.iwanihana.info/?p=111#comment-173 In certain modern anime there is a conscious effort to set up conflicts between the two, which then forward the author's beliefs in the superiority of one view over the other. Sadly the only examples that readily come to mind are Bleach and Naruto, but perhaps that is only fitting as they are in some ways the epitome of the shounen style. Naruto, a hard-working idiot, defeats the genius Neji who believes in fate and inevitability, thus showing everyone the superiority of "ganbaru." Similarly Byakuya, a refined aristocrat who was taught by the best tutors and believes in his superiority to commoners, is defeated by Ichigo, a hardworking guy who just wants to protect his friends. In certain modern anime there is a conscious effort to set up conflicts between the two, which then forward the author’s beliefs in the superiority of one view over the other. Sadly the only examples that readily come to mind are Bleach and Naruto, but perhaps that is only fitting as they are in some ways the epitome of the shounen style. Naruto, a hard-working idiot, defeats the genius Neji who believes in fate and inevitability, thus showing everyone the superiority of “ganbaru.” Similarly Byakuya, a refined aristocrat who was taught by the best tutors and believes in his superiority to commoners, is defeated by Ichigo, a hardworking guy who just wants to protect his friends.

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